22 Apr
Question
Topical Questions

The topical questions session in the House of Commons kicked off with Gregory Stafford prompting Shabana Mahmood to outline her departmental responsibilities. Mahmood took the floor to address two major incidents: the attack at HMP Frankland and the Nottingham attacks. She detailed the actions taken post-Frankland, including kitchen access suspension in certain prison centers and initiating an independent review.

Key Developments:

  • Initiation of a statutory inquiry into the Nottingham attacks.
  • Proposal to trial the use of tasers in prisons.
21% increase in foreign national offenders removed since July 2024

Indicates effectiveness of heightened deportation measures post-Government turnover.

The discussion moved on to questions of public safety, especially concerning monitoring sex offenders and transparency in the justice system as raised by various MPs including Adam Jogee and Robert Jenrick. Shabana Mahmood faced a slew of scrutiny on topics ranging from judicial impartiality to the effectiveness of technology in criminal management.

Key Commitments:

  • Announcement of scrutiny mechanisms regarding the judiciary raised by Robert Jenrick.
  • Affirmation of technology's role in justice transparency by Mahmood during questioning by Jogee.
392 mental health patient-related fatalities from 2018-2023

Illustrates scale of mental health-linked violent incidents needing inquiry insights.

The debate also highlighted systemic issues within the judicial process, as discussed by Peter Lamb with suggestions about restricting certain offenses to summary trials. Safety concerns were raised, particularly the inadequacy of resources in preventing future tragedies like the Nottingham attacks, confirming an inquiry outcome pending further examinations.

Overall Outcome:

  • Reiteration of governmental commitment to enhance public safety through review mechanisms and advanced technology adoption.
  • Assurance of a speedy yet comprehensive inquiry process for both Nottingham attacks and Frankland prison incidents.

Outcome

The session concluded with reassurances of improved safety protocols in both community and prison settings, along with encouragement for transparency in judicial accountability and technological integration.

Key Contributions

Gregory Stafford
Conservative

Inquired about departmental responsibilities and moved to discuss local safety concerns following the release of a sex offender near a community area.

Shabana Mahmood

Outlined department strategies post-HMP Frankland attack and announced the Nottingham statutory inquiry.

Adam Jogee
Labour

Criticized justice system management and requested clarity on technology's role in reforming sentencing.

Robert Jenrick
Conservative

Supported Nottingham inquiry decision and questioned judicial impartiality amidst political comments by a judge.

Warinder Juss
Labour

Inquired on data collection for prisoner recalls due to probation breaches and policy decisions to limit unnecessary custody returns.

Robbie Moore
Conservative

Questioned justice system's transparency amidst court decisions on rape gang trial transcript access.

Sojan Joseph
Labour

Requested clarity on support for mental health trusts managing restricted patients following justice department guidelines.

David DavisMr Speaker
Conservative

Requested improvement in costly and inaccessible court transcripts to aid public case transparency.

Nadia Whittome
Labour

Sought assurance on timely and thorough inquiry processes particularly about Nottingham incident and systemic learning applications.

Original Transcript
Gregory Stafford
Farnham and Bordon
Con
15:19
Question
UIN: 903781

T2. If she will make a statement on her departmental responsibilities.

The Lord Chancellor and Secretary of State for Justice
Shabana Mahmood
15:19

The House will be aware of the attack at HMP Frankland on 12 April. The bravery of the officers involved undoubtedly saved lives, and my thoughts are with them as they recover. I think also of the victims of the Manchester arena bombing and their families, who are understandably outraged.

Since the attack, I have suspended access to kitchens in separation centres and close supervision centres.

An independent review will ascertain how the incident was able to happen, what more must be done to protect prison staff and, more widely, how separation centres are run, and the prison service will also conduct a snap review of the use of protective body armour.

In addition, I can today announce that His Majesty’s Prison and Probation Service will trial the use of tasers in our prisons. Wherever we can strengthen our defences to better protect our staff and the public, we will do so.

The horrific attacks in Nottingham on 13 June 2023 cost Barnaby Webber, Grace O’Malley-Kumar and Ian Coates their lives. I pay tribute to their families and the survivors, many of whom are in the Public Gallery today.

The Prime Minister promised that we would heed their calls for a public inquiry, and I can today announce that a full statutory inquiry will take place, chaired by Her Honour Deborah Taylor and with the power to compel witnesses.

I will place its full terms of reference in the Libraries of both Houses at the earliest opportunity. The inquiry must be thorough in its assessment of the facts and unsparing in its recommendations—that is the very least that we owe those who have lost so much and fought so hard for this moment.

I am sure that this House, so often divided, will be united on that at least today.

Gregory Stafford
15:21

I associate myself with the Lord Chancellor’s comments and extend my sympathies to the families of those who were attacked.

In Bordon, the release of a sex offender to a property near the Hogmoor inclosure—frequently used by young people, families and children—has caused consternation in my constituency.

What is the Lord Chancellor doing to ensure that people who have been convicted of sex offences are properly monitored when released into the community? Do our national and local agencies have the resources and powers to ensure that these risks are monitored and the public are kept safe?

Shabana Mahmood

We have robust processes in place to ensure that those offenders can be monitored effectively at both national and local levels and that those monitoring mechanisms are as robust as possible. I will happily look into the case that the hon.

Gentleman raises and ensure that he gets a ministerial response.

Adam Jogee
Newcastle-under-Lyme
Lab
15:22
Question
UIN: 903784

T4. The Conservatives presided over 14 years of total failure in our justice system. [Interruption.] Let me be topical.

To restore justice in this country and keep my constituents safe, we cannot just do more of the same; we need more transparency about the time criminals spend in jail, and common-sense sentencing must mean exactly that.

How does the Secretary of State think technology can help to make that possible?

Shabana Mahmood
15:22

I must caution Conservatives Members against groaning.

I appreciate that they might not be proud of their record—I would not be if that was the record I had left behind after leaving government—but groaning shows the contempt in which they hold the public, who have had to suffer the consequences of a truly dire Conservative party legacy. My hon.

Friend is right that technology can—and we hope will—provide better solutions to the management and supervision of offenders in the community. I look forward to the sentencing review’s findings in that regard.

Mr Speaker
15:22

I call the shadow Secretary of State.

Robert Jenrick
Newark
Con
15:23

I support the Lord Chancellor’s decision to commission a full statutory inquiry into the terrible attack in Nottingham. I know it will be welcomed by the families and everyone in the city and across my home county of Nottinghamshire. I fully support her welcome decision.

Greg Ó Ceallaigh is a serving immigration judge who decides asylum and deportation appeals. It took nothing more than a basic Google search to uncover his past comments that the Conservative party should be treated the same way as Nazis and cancer.

As a sitting judge, he has publicly supported Labour’s plans to scrap the Rwanda scheme and for illegal entry into the United Kingdom to be decriminalised. Does the Lord Chancellor believe this is compatible with judicial impartiality? If not, what does she intend to do about it?

Mr Speaker

Order. Can I just say that we must be careful about what we do here? We are not meant to criticise judges, and I know that this House would not do so. I am sure that we will now change the topic.

Robert Jenrick

Mr Speaker, it is important that judges and the manner in which they are appointed are properly scrutinised in this House, and I will not shy away from doing so.

Helen Pitcher was forced to resign in disgrace as the chair of the Criminal Cases Review Commission after a formal panel found that she had failed in her duties during one of the worst miscarriages of justice in recent memory.

But she is still in charge of judicial appointments, despite judges appearing in the media every week for their activism. Her commission has failed to conduct the most basic checks on potential judges, either out of sheer incompetence, or out of sympathy with their hard-left views on open borders.

The commission is broken and is bringing the independence of the judiciary into disrepute. How much longer will it take for the Justice Secretary to act and remove the chair of this commission from her position and defend the independence and reputation of the judiciary?

Shabana Mahmood

I am afraid that the shadow Chancellor cannot elide the process for the appointment of judges with a wider attack on the independence of the judiciary.

I hope that he will take the admonishment from you, Mr Speaker, and the clear disapprobation of this House to reflect on the way that he is approaching his role. If there are complaints to be made about judicial conduct, there is already a robust process in place for doing so.

If the shadow Lord Chancellor wishes to avail himself of that, I am sure that, given how active he is, he will be happy to do so.

Mr Speaker

Order. This is the time for topical questions, and we have other Members to get in. Tensions are running high, so let us calm everyone down with a question from Warinder Juss.

Warinder Juss
Wolverhampton West
Lab
Question
UIN: 903786

T6. On a recent visit to Featherstone Prison near Wolverhampton, I came across a number of recalled prisoners who were there for minor technical breaches of their probation—sometimes for up to a year.

Can the Secretary of State please outline what data is collected on the reasons for prison recalls and how that data then informs policy decisions aimed at reducing unnecessary returns to custody?

The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for Justice
Sir Nicholas Dakin

I am happy to write to my hon. Friend on the detail of the data collection and remind him that we have a sentencing review in process that will be looking at all of those things.

Robbie Moore
Keighley and Ilkley
Con
Question
UIN: 903783

T3. In a single week in Bradford, we have seen council leaders once again reject my calls for a full rape gangs inquiry.

An ex-police officer has been threatened with arrest for investigating these horrific crimes, and now a judge is blocking the release of official transcripts from a major rape gang trial in Bradford.

Can the Lord Chancellor explain why our justice system is being used to block the truth about these trials?

Shabana Mahmood

It is not appropriate in these difficult cases to misrepresent what the correct position is. The Home Secretary has already set out our position in this House and answered questions on our approach to the grooming gangs issue and the local inquiries.

On court transcripts, we are piloting artificial intelligence technology for accuracy so that hopefully in the future we can produce transcripts. At the moment, the costs are prohibitive and the accuracy of the technology that is available is just not there.

Sojan Joseph
Ashford
Lab
Question
UIN: 903788

T8. Restricted patients are mentally disordered offenders who are detained in hospital for treatment and are subject to special controls by the Justice Secretary. What additional support is my right hon.

Friend’s Department providing to help mental health trusts to treat and rehabilitate these patients, so that they can be released from this secure environment in a timely manner?

Sir Nicholas Dakin

My hon. Friend asks a serious and difficult question. The Mental Health Bill, introduced to Parliament last November, aims to stop restricted patients from languishing in hospital unnecessarily, while prioritising public protection and managing any risks.

The Department also works closely with clinicians and care teams to make decisions on restricted patients as quickly as possible, in line with the published guidelines.

Julia Lopez
Hornchurch and Upminster
Con
15:29
Question
UIN: 903785

T5. Release on temporary licence is denied when people say nasty stuff on Twitter but granted for much more serious crimes.

Can the Secretary of State tell me when I can expect a satisfactory reply to an urgent ROTL case that I have already raised with the Prisons Minister and senior civil servants and that affects a grieving family in my constituency?

Shabana Mahmood
15:29

I will chase that up this afternoon and ensure that the hon. Member gets a response as quickly as possible. She will know that release on temporary licence is a mechanism that has governor supervision. If people follow the rules in prison, they become eligible for release on temporary licence.

If they do not follow the rules, they are not eligible.

Peter Lamb
Crawley
Lab
15:30

Can the Minister give an assessment of the potential merits of restricting triable either-way offences to summary trial, except for sentencing?

The Minister of State, Ministry of Justice
Sarah Sackman
15:30

At a time when victims are waiting far too long for their day in court, it is right that we look at all options. We have asked Sir Brian Leveson to consider all options in his review, including the reclassification of some offences to summary only.

Wendy Morton
Aldridge-Brownhills
Con
15:30
Question
UIN: 903787

T7. We should all be really concerned that the Government have quietly abandoned their pledge to hold five local inquiries into grooming gangs. The victims still need justice, the public still need answers, and we still need a full inquiry.

In the meantime, can the Minister tell us what specific actions—not just references to AI—her Department is taking to ensure full transparency and public confidence in the cases that do come to court?

Shabana Mahmood
15:31

Sentencing remarks are already available for some of those cases. We have a robust judicial system that can handle difficult cases. I have already dealt with concerns about transcripts.

The cost of full court transcripts is very prohibitive, which is why we are looking at technological solutions—AI in particular. We have a number of pilots running.

The key thing is that we make sure that the transcripts are accurate so that the information put into the public domain reflects what was said and done in the courtroom.

Bambos Charalambous
Southgate and Wood Green
Lab
15:31

Although the extra sitting days to reduce court delays announced by the Secretary of State are welcome, does the Minister agree that the state of the court estate needs some attention, as some courts are out of action due to disrepair issues?

Sarah Sackman
15:32

My hon. Friend is absolutely right. The other day I visited the Telford justice centre, where one of the courtrooms was out of use because of mould and a leaky roof.

The Government are making an additional capital investment of £20 million this year to maintain and restore our buildings so that they can be full and active for use.

We are also investing in new court buildings; from Blackpool to the City of London there will be new courts, and they will serve the public well.

Mr Paul Kohler
Wimbledon
LD
15:32

The passing of Pope Francis was a profound loss. Throughout his life, he was a passionate advocate for a justice system that put reconciliation at its heart.

With the publication of the independent sentencing review expected imminently, will the Government take this opportunity to move our justice system towards one that contains, in the words of Pope Francis, a “horizon of hope” and reintegration, and will they commit to restorative justice being placed at the heart of our justice system?

Shabana Mahmood

Restorative justice clearly has a role to play, but the principles of our sentencing review, with which I hope Members across the House can agree, are clear: there must always be a prison place available for people who are dangerous and need to be locked up, and we have to do more to help people to turn their back on a life of crime.

Shabana Mahmood
15:33

We have already got off to a good start in the deportation of foreign national offenders from our prisons. The new funding will enable more caseworkers to speed up the removal of even more FNOs.

I am very pleased that we have seen a higher number deported this year compared to the previous year, when the Conservatives were in office.

Lisa Smart
Hazel Grove
LD
15:34

A British mother in my constituency, having fled domestic abuse, faces forced return to Poland to stay with her young children under the Hague convention on the civil aspects of international child abduction.

With no knowledge of the local language and no source of income there, she risks either dependence on her abuser or homelessness. That is because the convention ignores the issue of domestic abuse, allowing it to be manipulated by abusers.

Would Ministers support my Bill on the Hague abduction convention and domestic abuse, which I will present soon and which would change the implementation of the Hague convention in UK domestic law to protect mothers from the threat of return in this way?

The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for Justice
Alex Davies-Jones

I will happily meet the hon. Member to discuss her Bill and tackle this issue head on.

Nadia Whittome
Nottingham East
Lab
15:34

I thank my right hon. Friend the Justice Secretary for the announcement she made today and the Government for listening to bereaved families and surviving victims.

It is only right that the inquiry is statutory to ensure that it has the power to compel witnesses and hold those responsible for failings to account.

What assurances can she give that the inquiry will be conducted in a timely manner and that the lessons it uncovers will be implemented swiftly to help ensure that similar attacks do not take place?

Shabana Mahmood

I thank my hon. Friend for her comments, for her support and for assiduously representing the needs of her constituents. As I said, the inquiry will be chaired by Her Honour Deborah Taylor, who is an experienced, senior retired judge. I have every confidence in her.

She is already meeting the families of the victims and the survivors, and she has undertaken to ensure that the inquiry works at pace and makes its findings as quickly as possible.

David Davis
Goole and Pocklington
Con
15:35

May I press the Secretary of State on transcripts? When I asked recently for a transcript of a major trial, Manchester Crown court told me that the cost would be £100,000; when pressed, that went down to £9,000, but that is still way beyond the reach of most people. This is a travesty of justice.

Other countries, including some American states, have free transcripts available now. When will she sort this out?

Noah Law
St Austell and Newquay
Lab
15:36

Children adopted from care or living under special guardianship are currently disproportionately at risk of entering the criminal justice system later in life if early trauma goes untreated.

Given the recent changes in the adoption and special guardianship support fund, what steps is the Lord Chancellor taking alongside Cabinet colleagues to ensure the availability of more equitable access to such support?

Sir Nicholas Dakin

We know how vulnerable many children with care experiences are, and we are working closely with colleagues in the Department for Education to help reduce their risk of entering the criminal justice system.

The Government are committing £50 million to the adoption and special guardianship support fund this year.

Sir Julian Lewis
New Forest East
Con

Will the Minister take a special look at the problem of rogue builders who repeatedly target our constituents—often very vulnerable people? They take thousands from them and wreck their homes, yet the only redress is said to be trading standards.

Surely that amounts to fraud and there ought to be a prosecution to follow.

Alex Davies-Jones

If any crime is committed, or even alleged to have been committed, it should be reported to the police in the first instance. Victims have rights under the victims code.

We have recently done a campaign to advertise the code to create awareness of it, and we will soon consult on the code so that it reaches all potential victims of crime more broadly.

Mr Speaker

I call the Chair of the Justice Committee.

Andy Slaughter
Hammersmith and Chiswick
Lab
15:37

I thank the Lord Chancellor for establishing the inquiry into the Nottingham attacks, but freedom of information requests by the charity Hundred Families disclosed last month that at least 392 mental health patients in England committed or were suspected of murder or manslaughter between 2018 and 2023.

The victims included Susan and Jeffrey Farrance, the elderly parents of my constituent. Will the inquiry consider cases like that of the Farrances so that we can learn all lessons necessary to prevent these tragic and avoidable crimes?

Shabana Mahmood

I thank the Chair of the Justice Committee for raising an important issue for his own constituents that also has wider significance. I will publish the full terms of reference and place them in the Libraries of both Houses very soon.

Regardless of whether the review goes into the specifics of every other type of case, I am sure that it will make findings on how such cases, particularly involving people with mental health conditions, are properly managed.

I am sure that those findings will be of interest not just to our Department but to others, and will be implemented by the Government in due course.

Caroline Voaden
South Devon
LD

We have a case in my constituency of a young offender, well below 16, who is causing havoc—he has been arrested many times—and is not complying with a court order. The assumption is against incarceration because of his age.

Will the Minister explain what work the Government are doing to crack down on prolific offending by young people well below 16 who are causing stress and fear in their local communities?

Sir Nicholas Dakin

I am very happy to answer queries about that particular issue, if the hon. Lady wishes to write to me. The Government have increased the youth offending team budget this year and continue to invest in the turnaround programme.

As I said before, it has been shown that young people who are engaged in that programme have only a 5% chance of reoffending.

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