10 Feb
Lords Chamber
Government of Syria: Freedom of Expression, Religion and Belief

The debate in the House of Lords focused on Syria's commitment to freedom of expression, religion, and belief under its new government. It highlighted concerns about sectarian tensions, the role of international allies like Turkey, and the stability of the region amidst recent geopolitical changes. Lord Collins emphasized that the UK was closely monitoring the situation, stressing that actions, not words, of the interim Syrian authorities would be the basis for international judgment. Cross-party support was evident, urging caution and support from allies in the region to ensure peace and security, with particular attention to human rights and societal stability.

2,000

US troops withdrawn from Syria, significantly affecting stability and containment of ISIS fighters.

Outcome

The debate underscored a consensus on the importance of supporting an inclusive political process in Syria, with strong advocacy for international cooperation and monitoring. There was a unified call for caution and strategic diplomacy to avoid past mistakes in international interventions.

Key Contributions

Lord Carey of Clifton
Crossbench

Questioned the Government's strategy for monitoring Syria regarding minority protections and the potential rise of Islamisation.

Lord Collins of Highbury
Labour

Outlined the UK's strategy of judging the new Syrian government by its actions, not words, with special attention to minority attacks and sectarian tensions.

Lord Anderson of Swansea
Labour

Suggested leveraging Turkey's positive influence over the new Syrian regime, stressing Turkey's strategic role in fostering regional stability.

Baroness Northover
Liberal Democrats

Queried the reasons behind UK's contrasting stance to the EU on lifting economic sanctions against Syria, highlighting the necessity for multilateral approaches.

Lord Green of Deddington
Crossbench

Warned of potential backlash against Western involvement due to the fragile nature of the current Syrian situation and drew on past experiences in Syria.

Lord Hain
Labour

Expressed concern over US troop withdrawals affecting containment of ISIS fighters, emphasizing potential threats to regional religious tolerance.

Lord Alton of Liverpool
Crossbench

Asked about accountability for genocidal crimes by ISIS, especially towards minorities, and the need for justice regarding British members in ISIS camps.

Baroness Hussein-Ece
Liberal Democrats

Urged for Syrian-led political processes, learning from past international interventions, to better support a plural and democratic future for Syria.

Original Transcript
Lord Carey of Clifton

To ask His Majesty’s Government what assessment they have made of the new government of Syria’s commitment to freedom of expression, religion and belief.

The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State, Foreign, Commonwealth and Development Office
Lord Collins of Highbury
Lab

My Lords, the interim Syrian President has stated that he will form a transitional Government who are representative of Syria’s diversity and has pledged to protect religious groups. We are monitoring how the interim authorities treat all civilians in areas they control.

We will judge them by their actions. We will continue to advocate for the right of freedom of religion or belief in Syria and for a political transition leading to an inclusive, non-sectarian and representative Government.

Lord Carey of Clifton
CB

My Lords, I thank the Minister for that careful and helpful reply. While accepting that the new rulers in Damascus have taken steps to reassure some minorities of the desire to create an open society, how do our Government intend to monitor the actual situation?

How do they intend to verify whether assurances are followed up, bearing in mind the intense disquiet felt in some groups, such as the Christian churches, about increasing Islamisation, particularly as it bears on women, and the creation of an environment unwelcoming to minorities?

Lord Collins of Highbury
Lab

I said last week that we have a special envoy who has visited Syria. We are in close contact with the interim authorities. We are working closely with our allies in the region and we are carefully monitoring the situation. As I said, we are judging them by their actions, not simply on their words.

We are concerned by reports of attacks on minorities, including Christians, and attempts to stoke sectarian tensions. We are monitoring the situation extremely closely.

Lord Anderson of Swansea
Lab

Does my noble friend agree that it is early days and that the point is currently in both directions? Would he agree that one potentially positive sign is that Turkey, our good ally, has close relations with the new regime?

Should we not therefore be ready to encourage Turkey to play a positive role in influencing the new regime in these areas?

Lord Collins of Highbury
Lab

My noble friend makes a good point. We are concerned by increased tensions in northern Syria and the impact that this may have on civilians and stability in the region.

Turkey has been playing a critical role there and we have been in regular contact with it, as well as with Syrian democratic forces. Our priority across the board is de-escalation.

Baroness Northover
LD

My Lords, security and prosperity are vital in Syria. What action is being taken with others to try to halt the spread of revenge attacks? The EU has lifted some economic sanctions. We have always said—and the Minister has always said—that sanctions are more effective if we act together.

Why have we not done likewise?

Lord Collins of Highbury
Lab

On the latter point, we are reviewing both actions and the Prime Minister has made that clear in the other place. As the noble Baroness knows, we do not comment on future designations or de-designations. The Prime Minister has been absolutely clear on that.

I think she is right that there are forces within Syria that may stoke sectarian violence and instability.

As my noble friend raised, we are trying to work with allies, across the board, to ensure that there is de-escalation, and to take the interim authority at its word and make sure that we monitor it on a regular basis. The noble Baroness is right to point this out.

Lord Collins of Highbury
Lab

I have been diplomatic in response to the Questions we have had last week and this week. We should not take immediate decisions but rather focus on the interim authorities and their words, which we should ensure they keep to. We are monitoring that situation closely.

As I said, we have an envoy for Syria, who is doing excellent work—I think she is engaged with parliamentarians here. The noble Lord is right to suggest caution, but we have some reason to be optimistic for the future for Syria.

We must not forget what Syria went through under the Assad regime, during which horrendous crimes were committed.

Lord Hain
Lab

My Lords, I want to ask my noble friend about the consequences of the withdrawal of 2,000 US troops from Syria, who were working with Syrian Kurdish forces, in particular to contain some 9,000 ISIS—Islamic State—fighters in prison camps.

There is a danger of those fighters breaking out and not just damaging religious tolerance but imposing their reign of terror on the whole region.

Lord Collins of Highbury
Lab

To reiterate what I said last week, the first duty of every Government is to protect its citizens, and we are certainly cognisant of that in relation to those camps.

The United Kingdom notes the decision of the US to pause foreign aid funding for three months pending a review; that is a matter for the United States.

As I say, we are working with our allies to ensure that there is stability in Syria and that Daesh’s territorial defeat endures and that it can never, ever resurge.

We are working closely with US colleagues and humanitarian partners to understand and assess the impact of the pause, but we are fairly confident that there will be continued support for the IDP camps in the north.

Lord Alton of Liverpool
CB

My Lords, on Wednesday, will the Minister carefully follow the proceedings of the Joint Committee on Human Rights as it continues its inquiry into the failure to bring to justice members of ISIS who were responsible for genocidal crimes against Yazidis, Christians, gay people, and other minorities in Syria and Iraq?

In Raqqa alone, the headquarters of ISIS, the number of Christians was reduced from 11,000 to 100, and throughout Syria 80% of that community has disappeared.

Given what the noble Lord, Lord Hain, has just said about the thousands of people who are still in the camps, can the Minister say what is being done to bring to justice British nationals in those camps who are members of ISIS and responsible for many of these crimes?

Lord Collins of Highbury
Lab

I follow the work of the committee and I congratulate the noble Lord on his chairmanship. One thing he knows we have been absolutely committed to is accountability, not just for ISIS but for the crimes committed by the former Assad regime.

We have given practical support to NGOs and INGOs, to ensure that we can gather credible evidence and hold these people to account for the crimes that they committed. This year alone, we have committed £1.15 million to accountability and documentation-related programmes.

We will continue to work with our international partners and civil society to advocate for the UN charter and support mechanisms to ensure full compliance with it.

Baroness Hussein-Ece
LD

My Lords, does the Minister accept that the stability and future of Syria are in the interests of not just the Middle East but the entire region? Does he accept that we must avoid repeating mistakes made in earlier experiences in Iraq, Libya, Afghanistan and elsewhere, and learn the lessons?

The most important lesson is that any process on the road to stability and a plural democracy should be led by Syrians and supported by the international community, and not the other way round, and especially not by those who supported the murderous Assad regime over the years.

Lord Collins of Highbury
Lab

Let me focus on the thrust of the noble Baroness’s question. She is absolutely right that this should be Syrian-led, Syrian democracy; that is what we are focused on.

We are engaging with the interim authorities and international partners to do precisely that: to support the political process and civil society. I have often said that the most important ingredient of a healthy democracy is a vibrant civil society, and that is particularly true of Syria.

The noble Baroness, Lady Hodgson, raised last week the involvement of women in this process. We have been absolutely committed to that and we will continue to be so.

All content derived from official parliamentary records