10 Feb
Lords Chamber
Artificial Intelligence: Regulation

The House of Lords engaged in a significant debate on the future regulation of Artificial Intelligence (AI) in the UK. The discussion was anchored by Lord Holmes of Richmond's inquiry about future legislative plans concerning AI regulation across intellectual property, automated decision-making, and data labeling. A keen focus was on balancing innovation in the AI sector with protective measures for individuals and creators.

1. Government's Position and Challenges:

  • The UK Government, through its AI Opportunities Action Plan, is poised to regulate AI by 2025, especially post-consultation, concerning IP and automated systems. The approach is currently regulation through existing regulators with a minor focus on new legislation.
  • The Data (Use and Access) Bill is an early attempt to address some AI regulatory needs, emphasizing data protection and individual safeguards.

2. Sector-specific Concerns and Feedback:

  • There is a push from certain AI startups to eliminate copyright licensing for AI training to enhance growth—an approach rejected due to the necessity of control and transparency for creators.
  • The creative industry, represented heavily by the debates, seeks assurance of protection and fair compensation under any future legislation.
  • Public sentiment is divided with a need for boosting trust in AI.
43% public trust AI

The statistic was used to highlight public sentiment towards AI, indicating substantial trust alongside notable skepticism, emphasizing the need for balanced and informed policy discourse.

3. Broader Philosophical Concerns:

  • Concerns were raised about AI’s potential impact on workers and the role of humans in supervisory capacities when automated decisions impact livelihoods.

The debate showcased cross-party calls for clear legislation aligned with effective consultation and an eventual harmonious integration of AI technologies with societal norms.

33% public worry

This figure illustrates public concern about AI's negative impacts, driving the necessity for effective legislative safeguards.

Outcome:

  • No immediate legislative changes were confirmed. However, the Government remains committed to ongoing consultations and refinements, leading to a more grounded legislative framework that reflects current technological landscapes.

Statistics:

  • 43% of the UK public trust AI's positive impact, with 33% worried about negative consequences, underscoring a crucial need for effective governmental communication and policy-making.

Outcome

The outcome of the session was a reaffirmation of the government's approach of cautious progression towards AI regulation, maintaining a comprehensive consultation process before establishing any hard legislative framework.

Key Contributions

Lord Holmes of Richmond
Conservative

Expressed urgency in enacting AI regulation, highlighting international and European legislative advancements and implications for equity and creativity.

Lord Vallance of Balham
Labour

Explained the Government's strategy of using existing regulators for AI and confirmed forthcoming legislative efforts to address frontier technologies post-consultation.

Viscount Colville of Culross
Crossbench

Queried the Minister’s stance on a proposal from AI startups regarding copyright licensing removal for AI training.

Lord Watts
Labour

Sought guarantees for protecting creative industry outputs under future AI laws.

Lord Foster of Bath
Liberal Democrats

Probed about an opt-out for text and data mining exceptions and insisted on the inclusion of rights holders' opinions in technological terms.

Lord Ranger of Northwood
Conservative

Questioned on how regulation-centered discussions affect the positive stories from UK AI SMEs.

Baroness O'Grady of Upper Holloway
Labour

Stressed the importance of AI as a potential liberating workforce tool, contingent on fair work practices and shared benefits among stakeholders.

Viscount Camrose
Conservative

Expressed concern over the uncertainty surrounding the AI Bill, stressing clarity in legislative intentions is critical for stakeholders' confidence.

Lord Patel
Crossbench

Inquired about specific unregulated areas where new AI regulation could focus, given existing frameworks.

Original Transcript
Lord Holmes of Richmond

To ask His Majesty’s Government, following the publication of the AI Opportunities Action Plan on 13 January, what plans they have to introduce legislation in 2025 for regulating artificial intelligence in areas including intellectual property, automated decision-making, and data labelling.

Lord Holmes of Richmond
Con

My Lords, I beg leave to ask the Question standing in my name on the Order Paper and declare my technology interest as set out in the register.

Lord Holmes of Richmond
Con

My Lords, with the world talking AI in Paris this week and with parts of the EU AI Act already brought into force earlier this month, is it not over time for the Government to bring forward AI legislation in the UK: for the jobseeker who constantly finds herself not making the shortlist, not even knowing that AI is in the mix, or for the creative constantly finding her work stolen by AI with no consent, no remuneration and no respect?

Does the Minister agree that sector-wide AI legislation, ushering in right-sized regulation, is good for investment, good for innovation, good for creatives, good for citizens and good for all our AI futures?

Lord Vallance of Balham
Lab

As the noble Lord points out, getting regulation right here is good for investment and good for business. We are taking the approach of regulation by the existing regulators for the use of AI.

We intend to bring forward legislation which allows us to safely realise the enormous benefits of AI in the frontier space. Of course, in the Data (Use and Access) Bill, some of the issues the noble Lord raised are already addressed.

Viscount Colville of Culross
CB

My Lords, last week, the Startup Coalition of AI companies told a House of Commons Joint Committee that the Government should support a full commercial text and data mining model for AI training which would get rid of all copyright licensing for commercial AI training in the UK.

Does the Minister support this suggestion?

Lord Vallance of Balham
Lab

As I think I have made clear on several occasions at this Dispatch Box, we do not support that position. We believe that there needs to be control for creators; we need much better transparency in the system, and there needs to be access to use those images for AI.

Those three things go hand in hand.

Lord Watts
Lab

My Lords, the creative industries are the second-most important industry in the UK. Will the Minister guarantee that under the legislation creators’ work will be protected and they will be properly rewarded for the work that they do?

Lord Vallance of Balham
Lab

We absolutely agree that creators need to be appropriately recognised and rewarded. That is why the system being developed will give greater transparency on what is being used for what purposes and will allow access while also protecting the rights of creators.

It is important to have a technological solution to allow this and to prevent access where creators did not want it to occur.

Lord Vallance of Balham
Lab

The noble Lord may find that not all rights holders have the same views, so I do not think it is possible to give the assurance he asked for, but I am very clear that we need a workable solution, and that means for creators as well as for access.

The Lord Bishop of Oxford

My Lords, according to the Government’s own recent survey, 43% of the public trust that the impact of AI will be positive, but 33% believe it will be negative.

Given this very narrow gap and the critical importance of building trust in embracing new technologies, what specific steps are the Government planning to take to improve that public trust as they embed AI in the nation’s most trusted institutions, not least in the NHS?

Lord Vallance of Balham
Lab

I thank the right reverend Prelate for that important question. Trust is key to all this, and it is why we are committed to maintaining high standards of data protection in whichever context the AI system is deployed.

The right reverend Prelate is quite right to raise the question of the NHS, where already AI is being used to read scans, to improve performance in terms of missed appointments and to advance pathology services, many of which are narrow AI uses which are extremely important.

Viscount Camrose
Con

My Lords, in opposition and in government, the party opposite has promised an AI Bill, but it continues to say very little about what it will do. This uncertainty is creating real challenges for AI labs and their customers, as well as for copyright holders and civil society groups.

In short, everyone needs to feel more confident about the scope, the timing and the intentions of the Bill. What can the Minister say here and now to reassure us that there is actually a plan?

Lord Vallance of Balham
Lab

As the noble Viscount says, this is an urgent matter. A summit is going on in Paris at the moment discussing many of these issues. We remain committed to bringing forward legislation.

We are continuing to refine the proposals and look forward to engaging extensively in due course to ensure that our approach is future-proofed and effective against what is a fast-evolving technology.

Lord Patel
CB

My Lords, if the UK were to consider AI regulation, which specific areas that are not covered currently by a whole bunch of other regulations does the Minister think would be worth regulating?

Baroness O'Grady of Upper Holloway
Lab

My Lords, does my noble friend the Minister agree that AI has the potential to be a liberating force for workers in terms of repetitive work and so on if workers have strong rights and the gains are shared fairly?

Is he aware of the TUC manifesto on AI, and does he agree that workers should have the right to a human review when it comes to recruitment and indeed sackings?

Lord Vallance of Balham
Lab

I completely agree with my noble friend that the aim of AI should be to increase the opportunity for those things that humans can do, and that includes, of course, human-to-human interaction. It is a very important point to consider as this is rolled out, including across the NHS.

On automated decision-making, we have been clear that there needs to be human involvement in terms of somebody who knows what they are doing having the opportunity to review a decision and to alter it if necessary.

The Earl of Clancarty
CB

My Lords—

Lord Ranger of Northwood
Con

My Lords—

Captain of the King’s Bodyguard of the Yeomen of the Guard and Deputy Chief Whip
Baroness Wheeler
Lab

It is the turn of the Cross Benches.

The Earl of Clancarty
CB

My Lords, the Government will have heard clearly enough by now—consultation or no consultation—that the creative industries want, and indeed require, an opt-in on the use of their own data. Will the Government simply listen and do this?

Lord Vallance of Balham
Lab

We are clearly in the middle of a consultation. It is due to read out on 25 February. We are accumulating evidence both on how this would work and on the technologies necessary to make it work. It would be inappropriate to jump to a conclusion before we hear all that.

Lord Ranger of Northwood
Con

My Lords, I refer your Lordships to my interests as declared in the register and as vice-chair of the APPG on AI. I have a simple question about the AI Opportunities Action Plan.

I have been speaking to many AI SMEs in the UK—UK businesses that are booming and growing—and they feel that the conversation about regulation and safety drowns out their success stories. What activities are the Government pursuing to hear from those SMEs and how can the Government help them?

Those businesses are so successful that they are being drawn into other markets, such as the US, via investment and taken away from the growth opportunities in the UK.

Lord Vallance of Balham
Lab

I could not agree more with the noble Lord, Lord Ranger. We have a thriving start-up scene in AI. We need to encourage that; they need to grow. The AI action plan is about exactly that. The 50 recommendations in it are very much geared towards opportunities.

We should grasp those opportunities and make sure that those small companies grow into big, sustainable companies in the UK.

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