13 Feb
Lords Chamber
National Insurance Contributions: Hospitality Sector

During the Lords Chamber session on National Insurance Contributions impacting the hospitality sector, Lord Livermore defended the government’s policy to address the fiscal challenges and the adjustments made to support small businesses by doubling the employment allowance targeted at reducing costs for the smallest businesses. The session heavily discussed the alleged £22 billion fiscal deficit attributed to previous government policies, sparking objections from the opposition on its accuracy.

£9.5 billion

Amount allegedly concealed from the OBR by the previous government, as reported by Lord Livermore.

59 repetitions

Government’s repeated acknowledgements of inheriting a fiscal black hole.

Outcome

The session cemented the government’s stance on maintaining the current National Insurance Contribution rate, despite varying calls to reconsider or adjust for part-time workers in the hospitality sector. The focus was to ensure continuity and fiscal responsibility, with reaffirmations on increasing allowances for small businesses as a means to alleviate burdens.

Key Contributions

Lord AltrinchamSpeaker

Asked about the government's assessment of the increase in employer National Insurance contributions and the savings from increased employment allowance.

Lord LivermoreMinister
Labour

Defended fiscal responsibility amid £22 billion deficit, stressing NICs remain unchanged for the smallest businesses, with measures to aid small enterprises in place.

Baroness KramerSpeaker
Liberal Democrats

Criticized NICs hike impact on part-time workers in hospitality, urging reversal and adoption of halving employers’ NICs.

Baroness AltmannSpeaker
Non-Afl

Welcomed employment allowance increase, requested extended NICs exemption to social care and charity sectors employing low-paid workers.

Lord BlunkettSpeaker
Labour

Supported Lord Livermore’s fiscal allegations and critiqued opposition misrepresentation regarding fiscal inheritance and NIC increases.

Lord LondesboroughSpeaker
Crossbench

Voiced SME concerns on growing NIC burdens and underscored difficulties in small business environments amid regulatory changes.

Lord PopatSpeaker
Conservative

Argued high regulation and tax rates burden SMEs, suggesting streamlining processes as a priority to support growth and competitiveness.

Lord WattsSpeaker
Labour

Highlighted opposition attempts to politicize NIC increases, tying them to previous government overspending and financial mismanagement.

Baroness Neville-RolfeSpeaker
Conservative

Criticized fiscal strategy on sector impacts, urging reflection on hospitality, charities, and small businesses growth amidst stringent budgetary policies.

Original Transcript
Lord Altrincham

To ask His Majesty's Government what assessment they have made of the impact on the hospitality sector of the cost of the increase in employer National Insurance contributions, and the savings from the increase in employment allowance for the smallest businesses.

The Earl of Effingham
Con

My Lords, on behalf of my noble friend Lord Altrincham and at his request, I beg leave to ask the Question standing in his name on the Order Paper.

The Financial Secretary to the Treasury
Lord Livermore
Lab

My Lords, it was this Government’s duty, in the Budget last year, to fix the foundations of the economy and to repair the £22 billion black hole in the public finances.

In doing so, and in recognition of the importance of small businesses, including hospitality businesses, to the economy, we protected the smallest businesses by increasing the employment allowance from £5,000 to £10,500.

This means that, next year, 865,000 employers will pay no national insurance at all, and 1 million businesses will pay the same or less than they did previously.

The Earl of Effingham
Con

My Lords, I thank the Minister for his Answer, but I am afraid that I have to challenge the validity of his data on what he refers to as the black hole.

Please let me quote Paul Johnson, the director of the Institute for Fiscal Studies, who said that Rachel Reeves “may be overegging the £22bn black hole”.

Most crucially, please let me quote Richard Hughes, the chair of the OBR itself, who said: “Nothing in our review was a legitimisation of that” £22 billion figure.

I have a simple question for the Minister: when the OBR’s chair says that nothing in its review was a legitimisation of the number that has now been repeated 59 times from His Majesty’s Government’s Benches, is the chair of the OBR wrong?

Lord Livermore
Lab

I am rather astonished that the noble Earl has gone on this line of inquiry, but I am absolutely delighted that he has, because, as he knows, it is one of my favourite topics; I hope that we can make it 60 times from this Dispatch Box that I talk about the £22 billion of unfunded spending that we inherited from the previous Government.

The noble Earl will know that the OBR’s review was on the meeting that it had with the Treasury on 8 February 2024, when, under the legislation passed by the previous Government, the then Government were obliged to disclose all unfunded pressure against the reserve.

The OBR’s review has established that, at that point, the then Government concealed £9.5 billion from the OBR. Before we dismiss £9.5 billion, that is equal to the entire capital education budget and the entire capital health budget. That is not a drop in the ocean; that is £9.5 billion.

The OBR then made 10 recommendations to stop this from ever happening again, and we have accepted all of those in full. Of course, that was just in February; the previous Government then had until July.

What makes anyone think that, because the previous Government thought they got away with it in February, they could stop until July?

A noble Lord

Too long!

Lord Livermore
Lab

Well, it was quite a long question. The noble Earl asked me to break it down specifically, so I am answering him. By the spring Budget, that number had reached £16.3 billion, and by July, it had reached £22 billion.

Baroness Kramer
LD

My Lords, the changes to the employers’ NICs threshold now mean that someone working part-time for just eight hours will be subject to employers’ NICs—a huge additional cost for the whole hospitality sector, including the pubs, which the Prime Minister says he champions.

Will the Government not only reverse this hike but follow the Lib Dem proposal to halve employers’ NICs on part-time workers, saving the hospitality sector and the jobs of so many people who, because of responsibilities, disabilities or other limitations, absolutely rely on part-time work?

Baroness Altmann
Non-Afl

My Lords, the increase in the employment allowance for small businesses is most welcome, but can I press the Minister on the exemption for public sector employers from this increase in NICs and urge him to consider extending that exemption to social care and charity companies for example, particularly as they have such a preponderance of low-paid women in their workforce?

Lord Livermore
Lab

The distinction that we are following follows the long-established distinction in these matters, and it is exactly the same as the previous Government had in their health and social care levy.

That is a long-standing principle and, as the noble Baroness will know, we have extended a significant amount of compensation to public sector employers.

Lord Blunkett
Lab

My Lords, in the noble Earl’s question, the IFS was prayed in aid, but is it not a fact that, throughout the general election, the IFS—particularly Paul Johnson its leader—was saying all the time that there was a black hole that would have to be filled?

Lord Livermore
Lab

My noble friend is quite right. We inherited a situation where there was a complete fiscal fiction. We have had a tough Budget, but we have wiped the slate clean and restored transparency and honesty to the public finances.

We inherited a situation where there were no spending plans in place; we have a spending review and, for the first time, we have put certainty into public spending. We inherited a situation where capital spending was falling, and we have ensured that capital spending is rising.

We are bit by bit restoring and rebuilding the foundations of this economy.

Lord Londesborough
CB

My Lords, would the Minister acknowledge that SMEs employing part-time workers, particularly in hospitality and retail, are facing 20% to 50% increases in their national insurance contribution bills on April 5, and that this hardly fits with a world of flexible and part-time work, and nor will it help the Government’s mission to get Britain working?

Lord Livermore
Lab

We know it is particularly important to protect the smallest companies, and that is exactly why we doubled the employment allowance, meaning that 865,000 employers will now not pay any national insurance at all and more than 1 million businesses will pay the same or less than they did previously.

Lord Livermore
Lab

I completely agree with the noble Lord that small businesses are the backbone of the economy. Many of the regulations he speaks about were introduced by his Government over the past 14 years.

We have committed not to raise corporation tax for the lifetime of this Parliament, giving certainty to business and keeping the rate at the lowest in the G7. We will introduce legislation to tackle late payments, which is a key issue that disproportionately affects small businesses.

The upcoming small business strategy will set out a comprehensive plan to ensure that small businesses have access to the right skills, finance and markets to reach their full potential.

Lord Watts
Lab

My Lords, is it not the case that the Opposition are trying to suggest that the national insurance increases are the result of the Labour Government? Is it not a fact that, if they had not left that deficit, we would not have had to introduce the measures that we have had to introduce recently?

Lord Livermore
Lab

My noble friend is absolutely right. As I have said all along, there are consequences to responsibility, and we have always acknowledged that. But the consequences of irresponsibility—for the economy and working people—would have been far, far greater.

We saw exactly that with the Liz Truss mini-Budget, which crashed the economy and saw typical mortgage payments increased by £300 a month.

Baroness Neville-Rolfe
Con

My Lords, £9 billion was also the cost of giving public sector workers a huge pay rise, without specific related productivity requirements.

Recent changes have shown that probably the only people in the country who do not believe that the Chancellor’s Budget has unnecessarily worsened the position of hospitality, charities, hospices and many other small businesses are the Chancellor herself and the noble Lord opposite.

Will the noble Lord think again, because of the effect on growth and on these particular sectors?

Lord Livermore
Lab

I notice the noble Baroness did not mention today’s growth figures, which were obviously higher than expected, but, as we have said all along, they are simply not good enough. We are doing everything we can to bring stability back to the economy.

The noble Baroness has opposed every single measure that we have taken to restore stability to the economy; she has opposed every single measure that we are putting in place to rebuild the supply side of this economy; she has opposed every single measure we put in place to rebuild the public finances.

It is very interesting that she says she opposes the pay rises for public sector workers, and I am sure every public sector worker will be listening closely to what she says.

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