10 Dec 2024
Question
Prison Maintenance

1. ANALYSIS

Structure and Main Content of the Debate:

  • The session primarily focused on the question of whether prison maintenance should be insourced, presented by Kim Johnson (Labour, Liverpool Riverside).
  • Sir Nicholas Dakin (Labour, Scunthorpe) and Jim Shannon (DUP, Strangford) contributed insights regarding existing maintenance contracts and related issues such as mold.

Policy Terms and Technical Terminology:

  • "Insourcing"
  • "Prison maintenance contract"
  • "Retendered"
  • "Public purse"

Named Entities:

  • Kim Johnson, Labour, Liverpool Riverside
  • Sir Nicholas Dakin, Labour, Scunthorpe
  • Jim Shannon, DUP, Strangford
  • HMP Walton, Liverpool

Numerical Data and Statistics:

  • £1.8 billion worth of unreported repairs within the prison system.

Political Positions and Policy Stances:

  • Labour party members, Kim Johnson and Sir Nicholas Dakin, express skepticism towards outsourcing, suggesting a preference for insourcing maintenance to reduce costs and improve service quality.
  • Jim Shannon raised concerns about health issues linked to prison conditions, suggesting urgency in maintenance improvements.

**Governmental Bodies: **

  • His Majesty’s Prison and Probation Service (HMPPS).

Key Dates and Timeframes:

  • The prison maintenance contract is due to be retendered in the upcoming year.

2. SPEAKER POINTS

Kim Johnson (Labour, Liverpool Riverside)

  • Main Arguments: Advocated for the insourcing of prison maintenance, citing inefficiencies with current private contracts.
  • Key Statements: Highlighted the £1.8 billion issues and the situation in HMP Walton.
  • Positions Taken: Opposed to privatisation.
  • Questions Asked: Called for reconsideration of maintenance outsourcing.

Sir Nicholas Dakin (Labour, Scunthorpe)

  • Main Arguments: Echoed concerns raised by Johnson and emphasized value for the public purse.
  • Key Statements: Acknowledged the halted essential maintenance by the previous government.
  • Positions Taken: Advocated for comprehensive evaluation of options, including insourcing.
  • Questions Asked: N/A

Jim Shannon (DUP, Strangford)

  • Main Arguments: Focused on health risks caused by poor maintenance, specifically mold.
  • Key Statements: Highlighted health risks related to current prison conditions.
  • Positions Taken: Urged for urgent action to address these issues.
  • Questions Asked: Inquired about solutions for mold issues in prisons.

Unattributed Contributions

  • N/A

Speaker Contributions Overview

While numerous other MPs and peers were listed in the broader context, the session was primarily driven by the contributions of Kim Johnson, Sir Nicholas Dakin, and Jim Shannon, within the debate context provided. Other listed participants have not contributed to this specific debate as per the details available.

Key Contributions

Original Transcript
Kim Johnson
Liverpool Riverside
Lab
Question
UIN: 901738

17. What assessment she has made of the potential merits of insourcing all prison maintenance.

The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for Justice
Sir Nicholas Dakin
12:09

My hon. Friend is right to ask this question. Under the previous Government, a process was already under way to put in place new contracts for prison maintenance. We need to make sure that those contracts deliver good value for the public purse.

Kim Johnson
12:10

I thank the Minister for that response. The prison maintenance contract is set to be retendered to the private sector next year. Prisons such as Walton in my home city of Liverpool—a crumbling Victorian prison—struggle to get the smallest repairs undertaken, and there is £1.

8 billion-worth of unreported repairs within the prison system. We know that privatisation leads to higher costs and increased squalor, so can the Minister or the Secretary of State call time on this failed experiment and bring prison maintenance back in-house where it belongs?

Sir Nicholas Dakin
12:10

The previous Government paused work on essential maintenance, which has added to the problems we are now dealing with. My hon.

Friend is right to say that all options need to be looked at in order to ensure we get the best possible value for money for the public purse from any new contracts or arrangements.

Jim Shannon
Strangford
DUP
12:10

I thank the Minister very much for that response. One story that has been quite prevalent in the press over the past two months has been the amount of mould growth in prisons, which will obviously lead to health issues.

Will the new prison maintenance service that the Minister has referred to be able to deal with that specific issue? If it is not dealt with, it will lead to ill health among those who are in prison.

Sir Nicholas Dakin

Clearly, issues such as that need to be dealt with. Staff at His Majesty’s Prison and Probation Service are doing their utmost to try to tackle those issues, but we will redouble our efforts after the hon. Gentleman’s encouragement.

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